Newsweek: if Muslims in USA will not be happy we all pay the price

I do not read Newsweek . I but thanks do DR Bulldog and his article I paid attention of this piece . Please read my note blow understanding that my notes addressed not against Muslims but against Newsweek and its interpretation of problems of Muslims in America.

“After the attacks “our responsibilities changed,” says Mohiuddin, who emigrated from India when he was 17. “It forced people to say, ‘Where do I stand? Either I walk away from the faith or I become more involved in defending the faith, which [is] under assault’.”

defending the faith, which [is] under assault?????

Wait a second, it was us who were attacked. And, correct me if I am wrong, all those who attacked us were Muslims!! I am not saying that Muslims attacked us, but I am stating the simple fact that those who attacked us were Muslims.

“The Council on American Islamic Relations, an advocacy group, counted nearly 2,500 civil-rights complaints by Muslim Americans in 2006, a dramatic increase over the previous year.

It may mean that there is more of violations but it may be mean that there are more complains ( including these which were inspired by propaganda of Newsweek)

“These are the kinds of stories that make news—women who sue for the right to wear the hijab in their driver’s license photo”

Wait a second: what kind of civil rights violations we are talking about??? The right to have a driver license without showing a face on the license ??? Why Muslim have to have more rights than me? Nobody would allow me to have a license without my face on it .

Are Muslims, according to author, better than me. More special??

“The six imams who were pulled off a US Airways flight last fall after praying openly at a Minneapolis airport gate have sued the airline and the airport commission for civil-rights violations.”

Nobody argues that Muslims have no right to pray. It does not mean however that have special right to pray anywhere, anytime with disregard of others. If I would start praying for example on sidewalk of a highway a trooper would be interested in me in the very same moment. You want to pray? Go to mosque! End of story

“I think the poll miscaptures what’s being said,” he says. “There is such a thing as legitimate resistance to oppression, and there is terrorism on both sides. It’s wrong, but there’s also the right to resist.”

 

Who said that ? Operative of Hamas ? Leader of Hezbollah? None of the above. Those are words of executive director of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services in Detroit.

I am not going into whole Israeli -Arab question for right now but the message of Mr. director of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services in Detroit is until Israeli issue will be not resolved ( and we all know what that means) USA cannot rely on its own Muslims. Is that a message? Give us Israel to pacify us?

“The poll numbers, in his view, don’t point to a threat of homegrown suicide bombers, but to a passionate defense of a resistance movement—the way, 30 years ago, an Irish-American teenager would have supported the IRA.”

IRA did not present the global religion which is in state of holy war with my country.

Did I miss something or we still talking about religion which is under flag of Jihad calling to kill Americans everywhere? You want a fair comparison ? <b>The fair comparison with IRA would be adequate if IRA would declare a holy war on all non Catholics and start killing them around the world for that being non Catholics, That would be case . But it is not.

“For him, the bombing of Afghanistan that followed was much more tragic and painful.”

Just one question was similarly painful to him bombing of Belgrade? When Americas were bombing Serbs protecting Muslims in Yugoslavia?? Or this particular bombing was OK?

If indeed “the Lackawanna Six were vulnerable boys seduced by a charismatic radical.”

First of all the executive director of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services in Detroit who is saying that violence against Israel is “There is such a thing as legitimate resistance to oppression” is excellent inspiration for them as well.

Second of all: if charismatic radical is to be blamed , then why instead of condemning “charismatic radical” ( sounds like a honorable title in this context) they are running stories about alleged anti-Arab racism like an excuse for terrorism? If you so understanding to your “vulnerable boys” have some understanding to other “vulnerable boys” who may be “ frustrated” with 9/11 and with Jihad declared against t their country , anti-cartoon paranoia and beheading of infidels.

May our “vulnerable boys “ are as “vulnerable boys” as yours ?/ Did you ever had this thought??

Article ended with a statement which in this context sounds like a chilling threat :

“Losing Jamil Ahmed and Autri Sajedeen would be the worst thing in the world—not just for them, but for all of us.”

Meaning if Muslims in USA will not be happy we all pay the price

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34 responses to “Newsweek: if Muslims in USA will not be happy we all pay the price

  1. My first time here and so far I think you are on the right track.

    Exposure is what Muslims really fear. The assault on their religion is simply our calling foul every time another act of creeping sharia is discovered. This is simply an action reaction fight in a much broader conflict. Over the last several years, I have increasingly noticed people who used to roll their eyes when I brought up the topic of Islam or avoid me altogether are now sending me tip’s on articles. Other bloggers when attacked by Muslim propagandists are asking for input to respond. Newspapers are quick to highlight Muslim expansion only to be rapidly bombarded by bloggers watching for any sign of special consideration. Lawyers are volunteering to take on groups like CAIR; in short, we as a nation have finally started to fight. Hold on for the ride.

  2. “in short, we as a nation have finally started to fight”
    this is a very good news and very encouraging news, thanks to people like you and Dr.bulldog we are reversing the trend , however we are running against the clock . My observation that this newsweek propaganda was left without adequate response in internet .
    is it not strange that such blunt manifestation of worst in Muslim American world got a free ride?

  3. “Losing Jamil Ahmed and Autri Sajedeen would be the worst thing in the world—not just for them, but for all of us.”
    Meaning if Muslims in USA will not be happy we all pay the price

    Cindy Sheehan and all parents of the deador severly disabled soldiers have already lost their boys. People of all countries that have been vicims of the United States’ imperial military and political actions have lost family members and their homes.

  4. Nice try ackmed but Cindy Shehan disgraced her son and his sacrifice. She is a self-serving opportunist who is using her son’s valor to earn a profit.

    As far the US victims compare a list of humanitarian disasters, assistance and defense of freedom and you will see the USA listed every time. We owe no one an apology for deposing evil empires, dictators, fascists and soon muslims.

    Now add up how many hundreds of millions wiped out by moonbats. I don’t fear a strong USA I fear a world without one.

  5. to randalljones:

    Cindy Sheehan ? You mean the lady who built her political career on exploiting memory of her fallen hero son? I know her son is a hero, it does not mean she is. I am ready to talk about her case any time you wish. I just do not see how she is related to my review if the article. Or you want to talk about pacifism, the ideology behind Cindy Sheehan’s type of demagoguery? We can talk about that as well ( just a reminder even Gandhi and Bertrand Russell during ww2 were on the side against the Nazis, so pacifism is never an absolute ) but this too was not my point.
    My points were that
    1. 19 muslims attacked USA on 9/11
    2. Muslims expect special rights in this country , such as license without showing their faces , praying when/where they wish to etc, rights which no one other than Muslims have in this country
    3. muslims are only religion in the world today which is in the state of holy war with non Muslims
    Those were the facts which I listed in my review. I challenge you to prove me wrong with any of those facts above

    The whole point of my posting was that Newsweek article propagates the idea that if Muslims will not be satisfied globally ( give them Israel) or locally ( give them a prosperity and respect) they will bring down all of us .
    This is my understanding of the completing sentence of the article “Losing Jamil Ahmed and Autri Sajedeen would be the worst thing in the world—not just for them, but for all of us.”
    So if you have anything meaningful to say about any of points listed above , then be my guest .

    “parents of the deador severly disabled soldiers have already lost their boys.”

    We had a lot of casualties in WW2 and in Korean war as well . Does it mean that those wars were lost cause wars too? What was your point anyway?

    “ People of all countries that have been victims of the United States’ imperial military and political actions have lost family members and their homes.”

    Such as ? Could you name me these countries? Just before you name these countries, remember that imperialism is a strong word and it means “the policy of extending a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.”
    See the definition
    Did we try to gain any territorial advances from any wars in 20th century? Did we claim any acquisitions of Normandy or South Korea or Vietnam? You know , words have meaning and you cannot play with words assigning yourown meaning to them unless you are Cindy Sheehan of course

  6. Ronin and 2008voter,

    You claim somehow Cindy Sheehan profited politically or financially, but it doen’t bother you how certain corporations are benefiting from the war and in the meanwhile American soldiers are not provided with the proper equipment to defend themselves and when they come home they have problems getting medical care.

    Ronin,

    The United States does not care about getting rid of dictators. It is only cares about supporting governments that do its bidding, which is why initially Saddam was an ally of the U.S. and currently Saudi Arabia is an ally of the U.S.

    2008voter,

    There is a growing grassroots movement (many non-Muslims) who question the official 9/11 investigation. I am not posting links to them here, but I do have them on my blogroll.

  7. to randalljones
    thank you for the feedback:)
    “There is a growing grassroots movement (many non-Muslims) who question the official. 9/11 investigation “
    I agree with you on that one . I do question 9/11 investigation as well. I think for example that there are much more evidence that Iraq did 9/11 than official investigation produced. I always would be interested to see any concrete evidence of any concrete new findings about 9/11. But so far the fact that 9/11 was perpetrated by Muslims is undeniable.

    By the way , we have to separate “grassroots movement” and “grasssmoking movements”. There is “grassroots movement” who is questioning American landing on the moon as well. So what ? Too often what you call a” grassroots movement” should be called paranoia.

    Besides there are facts beyond the scope of investigation but very telling facts for our conversation: for example the fact of the celebrations on the streets of 9/11 in parts of Muslim world, the fact of considering Osama a hero in Muslim world ,the fact of praising attacked against USA as a right thing to doby many Muslims etc.. Does the grassroots movement are questioning these facts as well?

    And you are absolutely correct there are many of them ( I would say majority) are non Muslims . The reason is that for the radical left any attack against USA is justified. Radical Left hates Israel and by proxy loves all those who hates Israel including radical Muslims.

    “You claim somehow Cindy Sheehan profited politically or financially, but it doen’t bother you how certain corporations are benefiting from the war and in the meanwhile American soldiers are not provided with the proper equipment to defend themselves and when they come home they have problems getting medical care.”
    It is not like I claim it , it is an undeniable fact she is running for congress, doesn’t she?
    But I do agree with your comparison. I agree that if/when corporations are profiteering on the was it is discussing. And I do agree with you that: Cindy Sheehan is as disgusting as any corporation which is profiteering on war. Very good comparison thank you

  8. To Host :
    good article on your blog, thank you for letting me know:)

  9. 2008voter,

    There is no similarity to Cindy Sheehan and the corporations. THe corporations have made bilklions, how much has Sheehan made? Regarding her running for congress, I see nothing wrong with that; she wants to do what’s right for the country.

    It’s interesting how when you bring up Muslims cheering in the street, why do leave out that Israelis that were caught in New Jersey on 9/11 cheering and dancing, while filming themselves with the WTC in the background. Not much of the mainstream media covered this, but there were exceptions. It was discussed on the television program 20/20.

    It was not only Israelis and Muslims that cheered, in the book Clash of Fundamentalisms by Tariq Ali. On page 2 of the Prologue it says:

    I want to ask why so many people in non-Islamic parts of the world were unmoved by what took place and why so many celebrated, in the chilling phrase of Osama bin Laden, an ‘America struck by almighty Allah in its vital organs’. In the Nicaraguan capital, Managua, people hugged each other in silence.’ In Porto Alegre, in the deep south of Brazil, a large concert hall packed with young people erupted in anger when a visiting Black jazz musician from New York insisted on beginning his performance with a rendering of ‘God Bless America’. The kids replied with chants of ‘Osama, Osama!’ The concert was cancelled. There were celebrations on the streets in Bolivia. From Argentina the Mothers who had been demonstrating for years to discover how and when the local military had ‘disappeared’ their children refused to join the officially orchestrated mourning. In Greece the government suppressed the publication of opinion polls that showed a large majority actually in favour of the hits, and football crowds refused to observe the two-minute silence.

    In Beijing the news came too late in the night for anything more than a few celebratory fireworks, but in the week that followed the reaction became clearer. While the Politburo dithered for over twenty-four hours, Hsinhua, the official Chinese news agency, putout a short video of the 11 September footage complete with Hollywood music so that the moment could be relished at leisure. A second video mixed images of the events with footage from King Kong and other disaster movies.

  10. I never said that Muslims were the only ones who celebrated 9/11. I can give you one more example of anti-American 9/11 related actions. I do remember how Mexican crowd shouted on the soccer match “OSAMA. OSAMA” .It proves one more time that anti-Americanism goes beyond Muslim anti-Americanism . I am not arguing against that. It just proves one more time that
    #1. no matter how you are helping others including Muslims around the world , they will remember only what they pleased to remember. People are resultant to blame themselves for their problems . they need somebody to blame . The USA is a prefect target. And due to inability of USA to articulate its own position we are trapped in worldwide anti-Americanisms.
    #2 Nobody denying that USA made and making mistakes in foreign policy. Could you just please name me one country which is not making mistakes and which is better than USA?
    But all this outside the scope of what i was saying:
    What i am saying is that there are are numerous ,repeated, obvious and undisputed facts which prove deep anti-Americanisms within Muslim community and reaction on 9/11 is a reminder of that.
    Talking about “Israelis that were caught in New Jersey on 9/11 cheering and dancing” : i am not talking about 3 , or 4 or 5 people allegedly celebrating 9/11 . i am talking about mass population celebrating 9/11 , demonstrating the joy massively on the street.
    take a look here
    this is what I meant, story of “Israelis that were caught in New Jersey on 9/11 cheering and dancing” so far, is a story of just another one like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion until it is proven otherwise .
    Cindy Sheehan is profiteering on the memory of her son and it does not matter how much she made, the fact is that she would be nothing without exploiting the memory of her son.
    However all this above is drifting outside the topic of current discussion. I will do postings on Cindy Sheehan and other things you mentioned, in the meantime
    let me remind you that my points were that

    1. 19 muslims attacked USA on 9/11
    2. Muslims expect special rights in this country , such as license without showing their faces , praying when/where they wish to etc, rights which no one other than Muslims have in this country
    3. muslims are only religion in the world today which is in the state of holy war with non Muslims
    Those were the facts which I listed in my review. I challenge you to prove me wrong with any of those facts above

    If you have anything to dispute my points, then please be my guest.
    Your contribution is always welcome i do respect that you are capable to sustain a discussion even when you have opposite views. This is a rarity today. So let us keep our discussion alive.
    Thank you 🙂

  11. to — randalljones

    “why do leave out that Israelis that were caught in New Jersey on 9/11 cheering and dancing, while filming themselves with the WTC in the background”

    First, let’s be honest : when you say “israelis” you mean Jews.

    Translated from political-correctness-speak and unsubstantiated insinuation, what you are saying is:

    “Jews have killed Americans on 9/11!”

    Credible proof ? NONE !
    Police report? NONE !
    Photos? NONE !
    Any documents whatsoever? NONE !

    Can you prove these men even exist?

  12. RJ,
    You want me to believe something written by Tariq Ali? I am amazed at your ignorance. I can sum up all of your rants with a simple saying “consider the source”.

    We are onto Islam-get over it. You want to defend islam and see it win then log off and join your jihadi brothers. Making false claims based around poorly researched Muslim propaganda is cowardly. Be a real jihadi. I will tell the USMC to expect you.

    I hear they are running out of suicide bombers. Do your part. I would hate for it to end and see you lose out on your virgins.

    Good luck,

  13. to Ronin:
    with all due respect i do not agree with you, sorry
    i think randalljones is wrong and I am trying to prove it . But i do not want to shut him up. i think it would be wrong.
    I do agree that “making false claims based around poorly researched Muslim propaganda” is wrong but we have to first prove that these claims are false and we must counterbalance “poorly researched Muslim propaganda” with excellently researched truth .
    randalljones is an opponent and i do not like his views , i think his views are dangerous for country and counterproductive for him , but he is not an enemy.

  14. 2008voter,

    With all due respect I do not agree with you, sorry. I have been blogging for years and the same tired Muslim themes bounce from blog to blog. I do not know RJ but I have seen hundreds like him using the same arguments. At least until someone exposes them and off they run to another blog.

    I listed almost all of the commonly seen Muslims arguments in an article that I wrote some time back. If I thought he was here to make a point and not spout tired propaganda, I would not have been so harsh. Nothing he wrote was an original thought. If he is not a Muslim propagandist he has been reading their work.

    I have seen many different tricks, themes and even threats. What I have rarely seen was a Muslim attempt to show I misunderstood Islam and that I was wrong, somewhere out there is a moderate. Not the normally seen Muslim version of a moderate but a real one. One who believes that western values and freedoms outweigh a seventh century belief system designed to completely control its followers and forcibly control non-followers.

    If I am right and he is just another cyber jihadi then I stand by my earlier comment the fight is in the box not online and if he wants to be a real soldier go fight. Allah doesn’t demand a cyber fight, he demands a real one.

    I never understood why they continue to lie on line when they lost that battle long ago. We know all the tricks, lies and arguments. Just like these:

    The world was not messed up by evil American imperialists.
    9/11 was not an inside job
    Allah and God are not the same deity
    Islam is far from tolerant to women, or anyone else.
    The koran is not perfectly written, has no miracles or foretold the future.

    I could do this all day but why? I am here to inform, expose or counter not read Muslim propaganda. It is your blog and I have no say on what you allow. We might have differing methods but we are on the same side. I am just older, grumpier and just mean.

  15. To Ronin:
    Thank you for your explanation. It explains a lot. I do agree with many things you said , and i rely on your blogging experience (i do not have much of mine). We are on the same side and regardless that it is my blog you are welcome to say anything you like. I have no any stated policy on the blog and it is not about “rules” I am just saying what i think is right.
    I see your point and i am as well tired to see and hear same things which I named “paranoias”. But my point is that we have to talk about that we have to list our arguments and we have to fight them with facts , logics and expose untruth and demagoguery. You have postings on the topic that expose their untruth link me to them i will use
    them if not we have to right them.
    History proved propaganda of enemy (even repeated by confused individuals ) cannot be left undisputed: it must be confronted and exposed with facts and arguments .
    we have to have our counter-propaganda
    would you agree?

  16. 2008Voter:
    I agree to a point. I enjoy rational debate when it serves a purpose and I have spent countless hours explaining my point of view to what you call “confused individuals” oth, I waste very little time on cyber jihadi as they are mostly hit and run opportunists and want no discussion. They fly in drop a few tidbits and check back a week or so later to see who took the bait. They also will conduct DOS attacks (if able) and email countless “you won so and so lottery” emails. They are not bloggers they are the enemy. There is a big difference between discussion and propaganda.

    When it comes to people who really want to understand the issues the first place I send them is to jihadwatch.org and have them read Islam 101. Then I will spend some of my time answering their questions. If they want a discussion, I will do my best to answer. This is a double-edged sword, the more visitors the more of your time they take and the more people they invite to help them, bringing even more visitors to your site. In the end, you have to become selective. After a while you will find you have files filled with common arguments and the counter to them. In addition, you will find you are among friends if you get someone who drops some obscure reference ask around and you will normally find the issue has come up before.

  17. Ronin,

    U.S. foreign policy has resulted in the deaths of millions not only in the Muslim world, but in countries in South America, Africa, and Asia. My sources are not from Muslims. One of my sources is John Pilger. Do a Google search on him and read some of his writings and hear some of his speeches.

    I am not naive about what goes on in some Muslim countries. I have access to the internet, just like you. There are Muslim human rights activists who are fighting for human rights, but the mainstream media does not like to acknowledge them. They often portray Muslims in a one dimensional way: the bearded angry man, burning an American flag and the submissive, voiceless women dressed form head to toe in black. I would like to see the media portray people of all religions and races in a multifaceted way.

    While I appreciate the freedoms living in the United States gives me, it does not mean I should not say something when the government does wrong. If someone in your family was doing something wrong, wouldn’t you try to correct them? The same goes for the government.

  18. 2008voter and armilnov,

    I remember that film of Palestinians cheering. On 9/11, on television they were showing a split screen where on one side was the damaged WTC and on the other side were the cheering Palestinians. I thought to myself what kind of people in the media would decide to show this film while the nation was in shock and in mourning? They could have shown that video on another day. Were they more concerned about demonizing Palestinians rather than informing us about what was going on that day? It is interesting that those making the film did not interview any of the people. Is it because those who were cheering might say, “now the Americans know how we feel when Israel bombs us” Maybe they would have said they are cheering because the U.S. provides a lot of the weapons that Israel uses to oppress the Palestinians. Why do you think none of the Palestinians were interviewed and asked why they were cheering?

    Would you like to see the Israelis (the best friends of the U.S.) that were arrested and the women who had called the police on them? See this youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nVkN983fU

    Also see this interview done by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=575834042418696847
    where her guests are Marc Perelman of the Forward (a Jewish Weekly newspaper), Christopher Ketcham, author of article about the cheering Israelis on 9/11 Alexander Cockburn, editor of Counterpunch magazine.

    There is also a discussion of Israeli art students/spies who were “living in very close proximity to the September 11 hijackers. Many of these art students were moving large amounts of cash, some of them were reportedly, according to Le Monde, carrying cell phones provided them by an Israeli vice consul in the US. Many of them were highly trained in electronic intercept and intelligence work that was far beyond the compulsory military training required by Israeli law. So these were part of the — suspicions were aroused, and they remain.”

    By the way the name of the policemen that had arrested the cheering Israelis are Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli.

  19. Randall,
    I am not a religious man myself but I have read enough religious texts including the koran to know Muslims can not win a comparative religion argument. Christian violence today is limited to a few small groups or individuals especially globally. It also violates basic Christian doctrine. Islam can not make that claim or even come anywhere close. Basic Christian doctrine forbids violence leaving vengeance to God. Islam demands its followers follow a violent path and defend the honor of Allah. The so-called terrorists are actually doctrinally correct and follow Mohammed’s example. The rest of the ummah are backsliders or non-practitioners of their faith. It takes seconds to compare the scriptures before the realization that God and Allah are not the same Deity or make the same demands on their followers. Granted even most Christians never read a koran and do not realize that but no other explanation can explain the opposite demands on their flocks. If God and Allah are one then he is bipolar.

    I could quote the texts but there is no point. Muslims have always been a violent lot and are still today the biggest killers of other Muslims although they seem to get really angry when a non-Muslim kills one. They are full of contradictions and have little or no problems following only the tenets of Islam they want to follow at any given moment. I met my first Afghan in the 80’s. Islam demands homosexuals die but the Mujahdeen sexually assaulted Russian prisoners for hours and sometimes days before they finally murdered them. They explain their crimes as anything against an enemy of Allah is excepted and honors him. They use much the same rational today and commit similar crimes.

    Until I see large numbers of murders, rapes, incest and so called “honor killings” carried out by other main stream religions I will keep my very low opinion of practicing Muslims. If you are right and there are Muslim human rights activists who are fighting for human rights, the question to first ask is for whom? Does it include infidels to include Jews, homosexual’s etc or just Muslims? The other issue is not our MSM it is their own. None of the reformers can preach their blasphemy inside a Muslim country. Because of that, not one single reformer has any real following. How dare they contradict Mohammed? I never saw a Christian contradict Jesus.

    I share your concern about our Governments policies, open borders, amnesty and a welfare state an no nation wide program to develop alternate energy is suicide. Our foreign polices always favor Muslims over all others-again suicide. And we are the most charitable nation on earth, again suicide. I have rarely seen anyone we helped say a simple thank you and the low number of offers to help after Katrina speaks volumes.

  20. to randalljones;
    “U.S. foreign policy has resulted in the deaths of millions not only in the Muslim world, but in countries in South America, Africa, and Asia.”
    Millions? what do you mean concretely by that ?name me at least one event when millions were killed because of Americans
    “Do a Google search on him”
    Google is not a source, it is a search engine, could you cite your sources?
    “There are Muslim human rights activists who are fighting for human rights, but the mainstream media does not like to acknowledge them.”
    absolutely correct and i do agree with that
    you mean of course this disgusting case when PBS banned the documentary about moderates in Islam see the link
    “I would like to see the media portray people of all religions and races in a multifaceted way.”
    Would you like to see a human face of Nazi as well ?
    how about to see people … as they are ??
    if they are bad , they have to not be shown as good just because we want to see them as good . It actually would be called lying and it is what CNN was actually doing in Iraq spinning information from Iraq in order to put a human face on Saddam ( conveniently forgotten fact)
    While I appreciate the freedoms living in the United States gives me, it does not mean I should not say something when the government does wrong.”
    it is your duty to say something when the government does wrong,with the one condition, of course ,that it has to be verifiable and provable critique not something what could be qualified as lie

  21. to randalljones :

    First: be a man. When you say “Israeli” you mean “Jew”. Say it. Listen to yourself. Do you feel like an anti-Semite? You probably are!

    “I remember that film of Palestinians cheering… I thought to myself what kind of people in the media would decide to show this film while the nation was in shock and in mourning?”

    The answer to your question: the kind of people interested in reporting facts.

    “Were they more concerned about demonizing Palestinians rather than informing us about what was going on that day?”

    You mean, like you demonizing Jews right now?

    “Would you like to see the Israelis (the best friends of the U.S.) that were arrested and the women who had called the police on them?”

    Two words: DAN RATHER.
    Three words: WHERE ARE DOCUMENTS?
    Besides, Jews are people too (would you believe it? wow!) so if two mentally-unstable people DID in fact dance on the streets what does that prove?

    So far, I am not convinced these people exist or this event even happened — this smells like modern-day Blood libel.

    “By the way the name of the policemen that had arrested the cheering Israelis are Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli.”

    What am I supposed to do — call these people on the phone? How do I know you did not make them up?

    ANY CREDIBLE EVIDENCE? NONE!

  22. to randalljones;
    Video you showed is showing nothing. Talking people saying words. My video showing dancing Palestinians, yours people talking about something. Name of policemen, so what? Give me documents or stop spreading Gebbels style lies. Dan Rather at least bothered to forge them, do not be lazy ,do something more impressive than talking people.

    Weaponry for Israel ? What you would suggest to only state in the world which is on the watch of “ civilized liberal west “being denied its right to exist and permanently under military attack ? Recognize Israel, make peace and then demand disarmament.

    You are not listening and not answering on questions and not reacting on comments
    It is time for you to start answering some questions that I did ask few postings ago:

    1. Why Muslims expect special rights in this country , such as license without showing their faces , praying when/where they wish to etc, rights which no one other than Muslims have in this country?
    2. Why Islam is only religion in the world today which is in the state of holy war with non Muslims?
    3. Why despite help to Muslims in Serbs, Albania, Kosovo, Afghanistan they claim that USA against ,Muslims?
    4. why Muslims demanding civil right for themselves in the west denying it in their own countries?
    5. why they demanding freedom for spreading Islam on the west , denying freedom of religion in their countries?
    6. why Muslims trying to impose sharia law on the west?
    Israel: why they do not recognize Israel? Rejecting resolution on UN?

    I challenge you to start answering questions otherwise I am inclined to think that Ronin was right ( sorry Ronin!) and you just using this blog for spreading Gebbels style lies

  23. to randalljones :
    I did an additional research on your dancing Jews on 9/11. There are no facts whatsoever.
    I have a news for you:
    two of my neighbors saw aliens dancing in my pool. It is undeniable fact that it happened indeed. There many facts that are undeniable prove that:
    • I can show you the pool where aliens danced
    • I can give you names of those neighbors who saw aliens
    • I can describe you the neighbors
    • I give you articles with interviews of my neighbors
    • And most importantly I have all this : pool, neighbors talking about aliens, and article on tape.
    This is how your case built. And you have to be ashamed to spread this kind of lies. You know I have no problem to argue with people who think differently. But I have problem with people who are not listening and who is not receptive to logical arguments. To spread story like that is the same as to spread Sion Elders Protocol story.

  24. 2008Voter ~ Your tale of Aliens dancing in your pool holds more credence with me than anything RJ spouts.

    I read his posts on Doc’s site for a while. It is always the same.

    Now he chooses to throw in Ms Sheehan and further my disdain for him. (If that is possible)

    You have a good site!

  25. to cavmom:
    thank you for the moral support, Cavmom!
    the problem with RJs is that: you cannot let them go without response because it indirectly reinforces their propaganda . You cannot take them seriously, in the meantime, because they are not interested in ( incapable for?) logical argument. So, I guess I have to figure out yet how to deal with them in future on my blog . While they are arguing it is fine, but when they are preaching without listening and especially when they are lying they have to be stopped and their lies must be exposed.

  26. I appreciate you going to lengths to refute what he posts. I don’t have the energy to keep repeating the truth to those who refuse to see.

    Keep up the good work!

  27. 2008voter,

    When the United States bombed Vietnam and Cambodia, it killed 3 to 5 million.

    Regarding the dancing Israelis, the Forward, a Jewish newspaper, has an article written in March 2002 by Marc Perelman about them. You might be able to find this newspaper in a public library or college library. There were reports about it on ABC’s television program 20/20, Salon.com, and even FOX news channel.

    Regarding your first questions, there are a small number Muslims who would like to change laws to coincide with their interpretation of Islam, but there are also many Muslims who are assimilating into Western society.

    Are you aware that there have been Christians who have requested their faces not be shown on driver’s licenses due to religious reasons? These are cases in which Christians won the right to do so: Bureau of Motor Vehicles v. Pentecostal House of Prayer (1978, Indiana), Quaring v. Peterson (1984, Nebraska), and Dennis v. Charnes (1984, Colorado)

    The Muslim woman convert who had tried to get the courts to allow her to cover her face was not allowed to do so. So there is no reason for you to get paranoid about Muslims.

    Regarding your second question, “Why Islam is only religion in the world today which is in the state of holy war with non Muslims?”: Islam is not in a state of war with non-Muslim. Al Qaeda is a result of the United States collaborating with Muslim extremists. The average Muslim has nothing to do with them. It is not just Muslims who are resentful of the United States foreign policy. What about the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, who called President Bush the devil and worse names. The United States foreign policies has not just affected Muslim countries, it has affected non-Muslim countries in Africa, Asia, and South America.

    Regarding your third question “Why despite help to Muslims in Serbs, Albania, Kosovo, Afghanistan they claim that USA against ,Muslims?”: Are Iraqis supposed to not mind having bombs dropped on them because of what the U.S. did in Serbia? By the way, Clinton asked the help of Muslim militants in doing groundwork in the Balkans. Are Afghanis supposed to be grateful that the United States recruited and trained the most repressive Muslim extremists to fight its proxy war in Russia? The Muslim extremists that the U.S. worked with were known to throw acid into the face of women who did not dress “correctly.”

    As for the last two questions, they are just sweeping generalizations and I could find you religious leaders of other faiths that make similarly controversial remarks, but do not get the same media attention that Muslims get.

    armilnov,

    You gave me two words: Dan Rather, I give you two words: Judith Miller
    You ask me for documents; once again you ask me for something you have not provided me.
    You can check the Jewish newspaper the Forward for an article written by Marc Perelman in March 2002 regarding the cheering Israelis on 9/11.

  28. RJ,
    None of that changes the numbers. Muslims show themselves to be a threat to basic human rights, and freedoms on a daily basis. There is no moral equivalency between Islam and any other group. A few other people have done bad things-so what?

    Want to change our minds as to your goal? Start a movement to rewrite the koran and change sharia. Until then you have no hope.

  29. to rj:
    1.

    First about your obsession with dancing Jews: one more time unless you have DOCUMENTAL PROVE of what you are saying ( not article in a mysterious newspapers and not people who are talking about other talking people) please restrain yourself from spreading lies on my blog .
    I can tell that I know people who saw Randall Jones dancing 9/11 in his yard and I can prove it by refereeing you to the article by John Smith in the newspaper “ Behind”. You may be find this paper in library may be not but it is you who have to prove your alibi.
    Could you prove me that you personally did not dance that day ?
    All this above just an example of your own logic.
    By the way, if the Forward, is a Jewish newspaper, and Marc Perelman is obviously not Irish either why you do not want stipulate that all this article by this Jew is a part of global Jewish conspiracy which you are paranoid about? ( you do not have to respond)

    2.

    “These are cases in which Christians won the right to do so: Bureau of Motor Vehicles v. Pentecostal House of Prayer (1978, Indiana), Quaring v. Peterson (1984, Nebraska), and Dennis v. Charnes (1984, Colorado)”

    As it was already said in on of the related discussions:
    “The case you referred to, Quaring v. Peterson, is a 2-1 decision of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals handed down in 1983. It is an aberration and has been criticized by other courts including a California Appeals Court in Valov v. Dept. of Motor Vehicles in 2005 where a court denied the argument of a bible-believing Christianish man who refused to have his picture taken for his drivers’ license. “
    It is an isolated and wrong 26 year old decision that even the 8th Circuit has since limited. See United States v. Slabaugh, 852 F.2d 1081 (8th Cir. 1988)

    Comment by M. Barrette
    http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1161294195.comments.shtml

    In anyway Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 applies only to Federal laws, not state laws. (City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507 (1997)) Thus, in the Freeman, a Florida State case, the state wasn’t required to grant an exception to its general law.

    Besides, at that time (70s and 80s) some states had no such a strict standards ion photo on ID . Tennessee for example issued licenses with no pictures up until the mid-eighties )were . However, things changed since then new lays and standards were accepted for example in Minnesota “Some commenters assert that the proposed rule also violates the federal constitutional protection of religious expression. Some relied on Quaring v. Peterson, in which the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit struck down a Nebraska law requiring a photograph of the driver’s license applicant. That decision, and others limiting states’ rights to require a driver’s license photo, did conclude that the state’s interests did not outweigh the burden placed on religious beliefs. However, they were decided prior to a more recent United States Supreme Court decision upholding state requirements that imposed facially neutral requirements, not intended to limit religious expression, even when the requirement could limit legitimately held religious beliefs.
    (see :Employment Division, Dep’t of Motor Vehicles v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872, 110 S.Ct. 1595 (1990).”
    Report of the administrative law judge. State of Minnesota
    Office of administrative hearings for the department of public safety driver and vehicle services division http://www.oah.state.mn.us/aljBase/240015360.rr.html#_ftn167
    I am not a layer all things above are results of 30 minutes internet research.
    3.

    “So there is no reason for you to get paranoid about Muslims.”
    I am not paranoid about Muslims . I have nothing against those Muslims who are vocally against Juhad. Your friends of the left by the way are trying to shut those Muslims up.For example PBS banned the movie about Muslims against Jihad. I just know that too many Muslims want to kill me to ignore the problem. and I do not want them succeed in doing that . You call it paranoia if you wish but I strongly disagree with assumption that I deserve to be killed as part of jihad.
    “Al Qaeda is a result of the United States collaborating with Muslim extremists.”
    Let us for argument sake presume that Al Qaeda indeed is a result of the United States collaborating with Muslim extremists , and let us for argument sake presume that we were wrong. So what ?
    Let me challenge you : Hitler had his reasons to be angry. Does it mean that our causes in WW2 were wrong causes and he was right ?
    All this logic that we were wrong yesterday and therefore those who are going to kill us today are right is absurd. If because we were wrong yesterday you are going to surrender today it is your choice ,but do not impose this absurdity on others. Name me one country ( beyond the size of Monaco ) which did not do any political mistakes . All country were wrong does it mean that no country deserve to live?

    4.
    “As for the last two questions, they are just sweeping generalizations”
    Why is that is it because you do not have any answer?
    5. why Muslims demanding freedom for spreading Islam on the west , denying freedom of religion in their countries?
    6. why Muslims trying to impose sharia law on the west?
    Why you think that these questions are they are just sweeping generalizations?

    “I could find you religious leaders of other faiths that make similarly controversial remarks, but do not get the same media attention that Muslims get.”

    I am not talking about religious leaders they are tend to talk nonsense. I am talking about state laws of Muslim countries, in which system of education is built on anti-Semitism and anti-Christianity, and were gays are executed and not recognition of Israel is norm. So, it is not about religious teaching it is religious prejudices taken as foundation for political and state reality.
    Please, do an effort read below the excerpt from the CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF IRAN
    In the formation and equipping of the country’s defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God’s way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God’s law throughout the world (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse “Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them” [8:60]).
    So we are not talking about religious leaders talking to followers we are talking about state policies See the difference? So, could you get real ??? Or you indeed, as Ronin said ,one of them?
    I will answer the rest of you posting after you will answer my questions.#5 and #6. So you still have to answer these questions. You cannot cherry pick questions you like.Not on my blog.

  30. ali

    Ancient Syria
    The first recorded mention of Greater Syria is in Egyptian annals detailing expeditions to the Syrian coastland to log the cedar, pine, and cypress of the Ammanus and Lebanon mountain ranges in the fourth millennium. Sumer, a kingdom of non-Semitic peoples that formed the southern boundary of ancient Babylonia, also sent expeditions in the third millennium, chiefly in pursuit of cedar from the Ammanus and gold and silver from Cilicia. The Sumerians most probably traded with the Syrian port city of Byblos, which was also negotiating with Egypt for exportation of timber and the resin necessary for mummification.

    Muslim Empires
    In 635 Damascus surrendered to the great Muslim general, Khalid ibn al Walid. Undermined by Persian incursions, religious schisms, and rebellions in the provinces caused by harsh rule, Byzantium could offer little resistance to Islam.

    Umayyad Caliphate
    After Ali’s murder in 661, Muawiyah – the governor of Syria during the early Arab conquests, a kinsman of Uthman, and a member of the Quraysh lineage of the Prophet – proclaimed himself caliph and established his capital in Damascus. From there he conquered Muslim enemies to the east, south, and west and fought the Byzantines to the north. Muawiyah is considered the architect of the Islamic empire and a political genius. Under his governorship Syria became the most prosperous province of the caliphate. Muawiyah created a professional army and, although rigorous in training them, won the undying loyalty of his troops for his generous and regularly paid salaries. Heir to Syrian shipyards built by the Byzantines, he established the caliphate’s first navy. He also conceived and established an efficient government, including a comptroller of finance and a postal system.

    Post-Umayyad Caliphates
    Under later dissolute caliphs, the Umayyad dynasty began to decline at a time when both Sunni and Shia Muslims in Iran began to press against Umayyad borders. By 750 the Abbasids, whose forces originated in Khorasan (in northeast Iran), had conquered the Umayyads and established the caliphate in Baghdad. As a result, Syria became a province of an empire.

    Ottoman Empire
    The Ottomans were nomadic Muslim Turks from central Asia who had been converted to Islam by Umayyad conquerors in the eighth century. Led by Uthman (whence the Western term Ottoman), they founded a principality in 1300 amid the ruins of the Mongolwrecked Seljuk Empire in northwest Turkey. Fifty years later Uthman’s successors invaded Europe. They conquered Constantinople in 1453 and in the sixteenth century conquered all of the Middle East. From 1300 to 1916, when the empire fell, 36 sultans, all descendants of Uthman, ruled most of the Muslim world. Europeans referred to the Ottoman throne as the Sublime Porte, a name derived from a gate of the sultan’s palace in Istanbul.

    Religious Life in Syria
    Islam, in addition to being a system of religious beliefs and practices, is an all-encompassing way of life. Muslims believe that Allah revealed to the Prophet Muhammad the rules governing proper life of man and society; therefore, it is incumbent upon the individual to live in the manner prescribed by the revealed law and upon the community to build the perfect human society on earth according to holy injunctions. Ideally, life for a Muslim should take place within a religious community. As a consequence, in Muslim countries religion has an importance in daily life far greater than it has in the West.

    Shia Islam in Syria
    Shia play only a minor role in Syrian politics. They are among the least educated religious groups, and their members are more resistant to change. In religious affairs, they look to Shia centers in Iraq, especially Karbala and An Najaf, and to Iran. However, Iran’s 1979 Islamic Revolution, and Syria’s alliance with Iran in its war with Iraq, have elevated the prestige of Syria’s Shia minority.

    Ismailis in Syria
    Originally clustered in Al Ladhiqiyah Province, most of the Syrian Ismailis have resettled south of Salamiyah on land granted to the Ismaili community by Abdul Hamid II, sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1876 to 1909. A few thousand Ismailis live in the mountains west of Hamah, and about 5,000 are in Al Ladhiqiyah.

    Sunni Islam in Syria
    The largest religious group in Syria is the Sunni Muslims, of whom about 80 percent are native Syrian Arabs, with the remainder being Kurds, Turkomans, Circassians, and Palestinians. Sunni Islam sets the religious tone for Syria and provides the country’s basic values.

    Druze in Syria
    In 1987 the Druze community, at 3 percent of the population the country’s third largest religious minority, continued to be the overwhelming majority in the Jabal al Arab, a rugged and mountainous region in southwestern Syria.

    Yazidis in Syria
    During the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, the Yazidis, whose religion dates back to the time of the Umayyad caliphate (A.D. 661-750), migrated from southern Iraq and settled in their present mountainous stronghold – Jabal Sinjar in northern Iraq. Although some are scattered in Iran, Turkey, and the Caucasus, Iraq is the center of their religious life, the home of their amir, and the site (north of Al Mawsil) of the tomb of their most revered saint, Shaykh Adi.

    Alawis in Syria
    The Alawis, or Nusayris, who number about 1,350,000, constitute Syria’s largest religious minority. They live chiefly along the coast in Al Ladhiqiyah Province, where they form over 60 percent of the rural population; the city of Latakia itself is largely Sunni. The Alawis appear to be descendants of people who lived in this region at the time of Alexander the Great.

    Judaism in Syria
    Most Jews now living in the Arab world belong to communities dating back to Old Testament times or originating as colonies of refugees fleeing the Spanish Inquisition. In Syria, Jews of both origins, numbering altogether fewer than 3,000 in 1987, are found. A Syrian Jew is Arabic-speaking and is barely distinguishable from the Arabs around him. In Syria, as elsewhere, the degree to which Jews submit to the disciplines of their religion varies.

    Syrian Christianity
    The Christian communities of Syria, which comprise about 8 percent of the population, spring from two great traditions. Because both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism were introduced by missionaries, a small number of Syrians are members of Western denominations. The vast majority, however, belong to the Eastern communions, which have existed in Syria since the earliest days of Christianity.

    Religious Opposition

    Rivalry among the country’s various religious and ethnic minorities has been a perennial source of instability in Syria. During the 1980s, the primary cause of conflict was domination of top-level political and military posts by the minority Alawi community to which Assad belongs.

  31. Autri Sajedeen

    Sigh, another website to reply to…That statement never came out of my mouth like that. The person writing the article wasn’t even the one that interviewed me. It was completely taken out of context. Of course i felt bad about 9/11. Muslim or not, one must be compeltely inhumane to not care about the loss of 4,000+ people. I said that the whole situation was made trivial by the American flag waving and stickers on every single car. It became a fad in this area and i said i didnt care for that. Not once did i say that i didnt care about 9/11 and the loss of life. I have so much more to say and I understand why you wrote the article and dont blame you. If it was someone elses name printed in the article i would have said the same things towards him. Somone unfortunately has to fall victim to the crimes of the media. I was unlucky. Oh well, life moves on.

  32. so, Autri, does it mean that the quote below is a falsification?
    “His son Autri, who at 21 is in his fourth year of pharmacy school and lives at home with his parents, does not feel his father’s patriotism. “When we grew up, nobody ever looked at us like we were Americans,” he says. On 9/11, “it sounds bad to say, but I remember thinking that I didn’t care that it happened. A lot of my friends didn’t care. I think it’s because we’re Muslim.” For him, the bombing of Afghanistan that followed was much more tragic and painful. Fundamentalists are “crazy,” he adds emphatically. He would never condone terrorism.”
    http://ny.cair.com/HomePage/NewsList/newsDetails/Params/news/1565/default.aspx
    i took it form the a page on ny.cair.com
    “I have so much more to say and I understand why you wrote the article and dont blame you.”
    Say that ! I will gladly post your view on my blog or you can arrange yours and give me a link. I ti s important that people would now that it is a falsification, but so far your name in the clearly anti- American article on the front page of ny.cair.com .They use your name to make another anti American case do not allow them to sue your name .
    Thank you for posting your note it explains a lot

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